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UN PENSIERO SU PARSHAT<\/a> <\/strong>YITRO 5785<\/h2>\n\n\n\n

Lezioni da Yitro e dalla lotta con Amalek<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n

Esodo 18:1<\/a> <\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Ietro, sacerdote di Madian, suocero di Mos\u00e8, ud\u00ec tutto ci\u00f2 che Dio aveva fatto per Mos\u00e8 e per Israele, il popolo di Dio, e come Hashem aveva fatto uscire Israele dall'Egitto.<\/td>\u05d5\u05b7\u05d9\u05b4\u05bc\u05e9\u05b0\u05c1\u05de\u05b7\u059e\u05e2 \u05d9\u05b4\u05ea\u05b0\u05e8\u05a8\u05d5\u05b9 \u05db\u05b9\u05d4\u05b5\u05a4\u05df \u05de\u05b4\u05d3\u05b0\u05d9\u05b8\u05df\u0599 \u05d7\u05b9\u05ea\u05b5\u05a3\u05df \u05de\u05b9\u05e9\u05b6\u05c1\u0594\u05d4 \u05d0\u05b5\u05ea\u05a9 \u05db\u05b8\u05bc\u05dc\u05be\u05d0\u05b2\u05e9\u05b6\u05c1\u05a8\u05e8 \u05e2\u05b8\u05e9\u05b8\u05c2\u05a4\u05d4 \u05d0\u05b1\u05dc\u05b9\u05e7\u05d9\u05dd\u0599 \u05dc\u05b0\u05de\u05b9\u05e9\u05b6\u05c1\u0594\u05d4 \u05d5\u05bc\u05dc\u05b0\u05d9\u05b4\u05e9\u05b0\u05c2\u05e8\u05b8\u05d0\u05b5\u0596\u05dc \u05e2\u05b7\u05de\u05bc\u0591\u05d5\u05b9 \u05db\u05b4\u05bc\u05bd\u05d9\u05be\u05d4\u05d5\u05b9\u05e6\u05b4\u05a7\u05d9\u05d0 \u05d3' \u05d0\u05b6\u05ea\u05be\u05d9\u05b4\u05e9\u05b0\u05c2\u05e8\u05b8\u05d0\u05b5\u0596\u05dc \u05de\u05b4\u05de\u05b4\u05bc\u05e6\u05b0\u05e8\u05b8\u05bd\u05d9\u05b4\u05dd\u05c3<\/td><\/tr><\/tbody><\/table><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n

Ogni mattina e sera gli ebrei recitano il Shema Israel<\/em> (\u05e9\u05b0\u05c1\u05de\u05b7\u05e2 \u05d9\u05b4\u05e9\u05b0\u05c2\u05e8\u05b8\u05d0\u05b5\u05dc):

\u201cAscolta, Israele, il Signore \u00e8 il nostro Dio, il Signore \u00e8 Uno\u201d. \u05e9\u05b0\u05c1\u05de\u05b7\u05e2 \u05d9\u05b4\u05e9\u05b0\u05c2\u05e8\u05b8\u05d0\u05b5\u05dc \u05d3' \u05d0\u05b1\u05dc\u05b9\u05e7\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5\u05bc \u05d3' \u05d0\u05b6\u05d7\u05b8\u05d3\u05c3<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Questa preghiera racchiude l'essenza del monoteismo ebraico. Dio non \u00e8 solo il Creatore della natura, ma la trascende. Non \u00e8 semplicemente un Giudice Giusto, ma anche Misericordioso. Egli abbraccia ogni cosa, unendo le apparenti contraddizioni. Anche nel giudizio, riconosciamo la Sua bont\u00e0.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Il viaggio di Yitro: oltre la logica umana<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n

Yitro era un uomo di profonda curiosit\u00e0 intellettuale, che cercava la verit\u00e0 attraverso varie forme di adorazione degli idoli. Secondo Quello di Rashi<\/a> Commento a Esodo 18:11: Yitro conosceva ogni idolo esistente e, come sacerdote di Madian, li aveva adorati tutti. Quando Mos\u00e8 gli parl\u00f2 di Dio, Yitro trov\u00f2 il messaggio logico e accett\u00f2 la verit\u00e0. La sua fiducia in Mos\u00e8 era cos\u00ec profonda che gli diede persino sua figlia in sposa, nonostante Mos\u00e8 fosse un estraneo.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Mos\u00e8 torn\u00f2 in Egitto, mentre Yitro rimase a Madian. Tuttavia, dopo aver sentito parlare dei miracoli di Dio \u2013 la divisione del Mar Rosso e la battaglia contro Amalek \u2013 part\u00ec per incontrarlo. Cosa rese questi eventi cos\u00ec significativi?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Yitro aveva precedentemente creduto in Dio basandosi sulla logica, ma la divisione del Mar Rosso sfidava ogni comprensione razionale. Come ex consigliere del Faraone, sapeva con quanta meticolosit\u00e0 l'Egitto impedisse agli schiavi di fuggire. L'idea stessa che Israele non solo fosse fuggito, ma che il potente esercito egiziano fosse annegato era inconcepibile. Yitro era persino presente quando il Faraone decise di annegare i neonati ebrei nel Nilo, credendo erroneamente che Dio non avrebbe reagito con l'acqua.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

COME Sotah 11a:11<\/a>, racconta, i consiglieri del faraone credevano che annegare i bambini ebrei li avrebbe risparmiati dalla punizione divina, poich\u00e9 Dio aveva giurato di non portare mai pi\u00f9 un altro diluvio universale (Isaia 54:9<\/a>). Tuttavia, non riuscirono a riconoscere che Dio poteva ancora portare la distruzione su una singola nazione.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Yitro cap\u00ec che il giudizio del Mar Rosso non era casuale, ma orchestrato da Dio. Il suo ragionamento fall\u00ec, portandolo a servire Dio incondizionatamente.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Amalek: aggrapparsi alla logica umana<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n

A differenza di Amalek, che persiste nella sua logica nonostante abbia assistito alle azioni di Dio e attacca Israele, questo illustra il conflitto in corso tra la logica umana e le vie di Dio, come leggiamo in Esodo 17:16.<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

16<\/strong> E disse: \u2018La mano sul trono del Signore: il Signore far\u00e0 guerra ad Amalek di generazione in generazione.<\/td>\u05d8\u05d6<\/strong>  \u05d5\u05b7\u05d9\u05b9\u05bc\u05d0\u05de\u05b6\u05e8, \u05db\u05b4\u05bc\u05d9-\u05d9\u05b8\u05d3 \u05e2\u05b7\u05dc-\u05db\u05b5\u05bc\u05e1 \u05d9\u05b8\u05d4\u05bc, \u05de\u05b4\u05dc\u05b0\u05d7\u05b8\u05de\u05b8\u05d4 \u05dc\u05b7\u05d3', \u05d1\u05b7\u05bc\u05e2\u05b2\u05de\u05b8\u05dc\u05b5\u05e7\u2013\u05de\u05b4\u05d3\u05b9\u05bc\u05e8, \u05d3\u05b9\u05bc\u05e8.<\/td><\/tr><\/tbody><\/table><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

Questa guerra tra fede e logica umana \u00e8 ancora attuale. Pi\u00f9 confidiamo in Dio, pi\u00f9 lottiamo contro la fede razionalizzante. Eppure, proprio come Dio ha concesso a Israele la vittoria su Amalek, Egli prevarr\u00e0 nelle nostre vite se riponiamo la nostra fiducia in Lui.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Un moderno Amalek: la cecit\u00e0 del mondo verso il male<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n

Questo tema \u00e8 evidente nei conflitti globali odierni. Il mondo, guidato da una logica umana imperfetta, attacca Israele senza riconoscere l'ingiustizia e la minaccia esistenziale che si trova ad affrontare. Lo vediamo nella risposta del mondo al conflitto tra Israele e Hamas, e con Hezbollah. Questi gruppi, proprio come Amalek, non si lasciano scoraggiare dalla giustizia divina, persistendo nella loro aggressione nonostante siano testimoni della presenza di Dio nella storia.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Eppure, proprio come Dio ha concesso a Israele la vittoria completa su Amalek, cos\u00ec liberer\u00e0 Israele oggi, non perch\u00e9 sia logicamente fattibile per una piccola nazione trionfare sui suoi nemici, ma perch\u00e9 Dio stesso combatte per Israele. Come Zaccaria 9:10 e 15.
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10<\/strong> E sterminer\u00f2 il carro da Efraim e il cavallo da Gerusalemme, e l'arco di guerra sar\u00e0 spezzato, ed egli annuncer\u00e0 la pace alle nazioni; e il suo dominio sar\u00e0 dal mare al mare, e dal fiume fino ai confini della terra.<\/td>\u05d9<\/strong>  \u05d5\u05b0\u05d4\u05b4\u05db\u05b0\u05e8\u05b7\u05ea\u05b4\u05bc\u05d9-\u05e8\u05b6\u05db\u05b6\u05d1 \u05de\u05b5\u05d0\u05b6\u05e4\u05b0\u05e8\u05b7\u05d9\u05b4\u05dd, \u05d5\u05b0\u05e1\u05d5\u05bc\u05e1 \u05de\u05b4\u05d9\u05e8\u05d5\u05bc\u05e9\u05b8\u05c1\u05dc\u05b4\u05b7\u05dd, \u05d5\u05b0\u05e0\u05b4\u05db\u05b0\u05e8\u05b0\u05ea\u05b8\u05d4 \u05e7\u05b6\u05e9\u05b6\u05c1\u05ea \u05de\u05b4\u05dc\u05b0\u05d7\u05b8\u05de\u05b8\u05d4, \u05d5\u05b0\u05d3\u05b4\u05d1\u05b6\u05bc\u05e8 \u05e9\u05b8\u05c1\u05dc\u05d5\u05b9\u05dd \u05dc\u05b7\u05d2\u05bc\u05d5\u05b9\u05d9\u05b4\u05dd; \u05d5\u05bc\u05de\u05b8\u05e9\u05b0\u05c1\u05dc\u05d5\u05b9 \u05de\u05b4\u05d9\u05b8\u05bc\u05dd \u05e2\u05b7\u05d3-\u05d9\u05b8\u05dd, \u05d5\u05bc\u05de\u05b4\u05e0\u05b8\u05bc\u05d4\u05b8\u05e8 \u05e2\u05b7\u05d3-\u05d0\u05b7\u05e4\u05b0\u05e1\u05b5\u05d9-\u05d0\u05b8\u05e8\u05b6\u05e5.<\/td><\/tr><\/tbody><\/table><\/figure>\n\n\n\n
15<\/strong> Il Signore degli eserciti li protegger\u00e0; divoreranno e calpesteranno le pietre delle fionde; berranno e faranno rumore come per il vino; e saranno pieni come i bacini, come gli angoli dell'altare.<\/td>\u05d8\u05d5<\/strong>  \u05d9\u05b0\u05d4\u05d5\u05b8\u05d4 \u05e6\u05b0\u05d1\u05b8\u05d0\u05d5\u05b9\u05ea, \u05d9\u05b8\u05d2\u05b5\u05df \u05e2\u05b2\u05dc\u05b5\u05d9\u05d4\u05b6\u05dd, \u05d5\u05b0\u05d0\u05b8\u05db\u05b0\u05dc\u05d5\u05bc \u05d5\u05b0\u05db\u05b8\u05d1\u05b0\u05e9\u05c1\u05d5\u05bc \u05d0\u05b7\u05d1\u05b0\u05e0\u05b5\u05d9-\u05e7\u05b6\u05dc\u05b7\u05e2, \u05d5\u05b0\u05e9\u05b8\u05c1\u05ea\u05d5\u05bc \u05d4\u05b8\u05de\u05d5\u05bc \u05db\u05b0\u05bc\u05de\u05d5\u05b9-\u05d9\u05b8\u05d9\u05b4\u05df; \u05d5\u05bc\u05de\u05b8\u05dc\u05b0\u05d0\u05d5\u05bc, \u05db\u05b7\u05bc\u05de\u05b4\u05bc\u05d6\u05b0\u05e8\u05b8\u05e7\u2013\u05db\u05b0\u05bc\u05d6\u05b8\u05d5\u05b4\u05d9\u05bc\u05d5\u05b9\u05ea, \u05de\u05b4\u05d6\u05b0\u05d1\u05b5\u05bc\u05d7\u05b7<\/td><\/tr><\/tbody><\/table><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

Lezione per i Noachidi<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n

Questa lotta tra logica e verit\u00e0 divina \u00e8 rilevante anche per i Noachidi. Si possono seguire le Sette Leggi Noachidi con ragionamento logico, ma se l'obbedienza non \u00e8 radicata nella Torah, la logica umana pu\u00f2 portare a incomprensioni o compromessi morali.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Ad esempio, il divieto di omicidio sembra ovvio, eppure i dibattiti moderni sull'eutanasia ne mettono in discussione la definizione. Senza la Torah di Dio come fondamento, la sola logica umana \u00e8 inaffidabile. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Mishneh Torah, Re e Guerre<\/a> 8:11:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Chiunque accetti su di s\u00e9 l'adempimento di queste sette mitzvot e sia scrupoloso nella loro osservanza \u00e8 considerato uno dei "pii tra i gentili" e meriter\u00e0 una parte nel mondo a venire. Questo vale solo quando le accetta e le adempie, perch\u00e9 il Santo, benedetto Egli sia, le ha comandate nella Torah e ci ha informato tramite Mos\u00e8, il nostro maestro, che ai discendenti di No\u00e8 era stato comandato di adempierle in precedenza. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Se per\u00f2 uno osserva questi comandamenti basandosi esclusivamente sul proprio ragionamento intellettuale, non \u00e8 considerato uno dei \u201cpii tra le nazioni\u201d n\u00e9 uno dei loro saggi.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Come il Rebbe1<\/a><\/sup> ha detto a questo proposito: Perch\u00e9 qualcuno che giunge razionalmente alla conclusione che rubare e uccidere sono sbagliati non dovrebbe essere considerato un uomo saggio? Perch\u00e9 l'intelletto, senza un fondamento morale assoluto, pu\u00f2 portare alle peggiori atrocit\u00e0, come quelle commesse dai nazisti.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Pertanto, l'unica garanzia di un comportamento veramente buono \u00e8 quando questo si basa su qualcosa che va oltre l'intelletto: la Torah.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Conclusione: scegliere la fiducia anzich\u00e9 la logica<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n

La lotta con la nostra logica \u00e8 una sfida continua. La vera vittoria non deriva dal ragionamento umano, ma dalla fiducia in Dio. Proprio come Yitro scelse la volont\u00e0 di Dio al posto della propria logica, cos\u00ec anche noi possiamo affidarci alla guida di Dio, sapendo che tutto ci\u00f2 che proviene dalle Sue mani, sia esso rivelato o nascosto, \u00e8 in definitiva buono. Insieme a Israele, dichiariamo:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Il Signore \u00e8 il nostro Dio, il Signore \u00e8 Uno.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Di Angelique Sijbolts<\/strong>
Con i ringraziamenti a B. Yaniger per l'ispirazione e il feedback. Il rabbino Tuvia Serber per il suo feedback.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

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